Shirley MacLaine is still horrified by the Oscars. “I don’t like what happened. Terrible ”, he assures still with his fists on his chest as when it became clear that the statuette for best film corresponded to Moonlight and not to The city of stars. “I keep processing it. That is why I prefer not to speak more ”, he adds. But when you are 82 years old (or 250,000, as he said at the ceremony) and a career with films like Apartment (1960), Irma the sweet (1963) the The strength of affection (1983), for which she won the Oscar, nothing will silence her. “They should have reacted before. The situation they put my little brother in was terrible. Imagine ”, she adds hurt. She speaks, of course, of Warren Beatty, three years her junior.
Not everything was bad at the ceremony. The actress put the room on its feet when she presented with Charlize Theron the Oscar for best film in a non-English language. “And I laughed a lot when Matt Damon tripped Jimmy Kimmel. He could have hit his face. He did it by my side and I haven’t laughed so much for a long time ”, he describes those little nonsense that amuse him in the midst of an increasingly cynical humor. “I’m sure people like how authentic I am,” she said in the interview she had with EL PAÍS last week.
For this reason, MacLaine does not mince words when insisting on how bad the evening ended. “I am very protective of my brother,” she emphasizes. If there is one piece of advice he has at hand, it is this: “Be more attentive than you think.” She is. Everything around her happens under her supervision, wearing what she wants without a stylist and attentive to every detail so that she hides what she does not want to show. Or posing only on the left side so that natural light bathes the right. Even his unfailing sympathy and verbiage is under control – well known are his legendary fights in Hollywood. Hence, the best thing he can think of to recommend to anyone, even his brother, is to be attentive at all times. “Perhaps because I was born in the thirties, in a decade that did not belong to me, I grew up looking to the future, but knowing that I had to be above the moment in which I live. Always ”, he acknowledges. For example, his mother told him that women were to please men. He did not believe him: “I knew who I am from day one.”
So did Alfred Hitchcock when he was offered his first role. Or that trio of Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin and Sammy Davis Jr. when they included her as the only woman in their Rat-Pack. “There was no more fun than Dean,” he recalls before highlighting Sinatra “his talent and his great heart.” However, he says that his style of man was always more “a John Wayne or a Robert Mitchum, people who no longer even know who they are,” she adds sarcastically.
Although these days he presents his latest film, The Last Word, MacLaine is increasingly disconnected from Hollywood. “95% of the time I spend it answering metaphysical questions, not the Rat-Pack,” he laughs. A fervent believer in reincarnation, she recommends everyone to do the Camino de Santiago, as she has already done several times, to be “in touch with her spiritual alignment.” The years, he says, have given him everything: wisdom, pain, understanding and love. Also money and fame. What they have not given him are regrets. The reason is clear: “From everything that is difficult, from what has hurt me, I have learned something. How can I regret what I have learned? What he most appreciates today is the solitude on his ranch in Santa Fe. The rest is nothing more than theater. “There we spent the day playing our role and worried that others would like us, our audience. That’s why you better master your role. And I dominate it ”, he concludes.